Driscoll gave a series of sermons on topics his church had the most questions on, and then made it into a book called Religion Saves: And Nine Other Misconceptions. I found the other book the other day perusing the religion aisles at Barnes and Noble. For those of you who know me, I wanted to buy the book simply to debunk everything in it, but alas, it is not worth the twenty bucks I would have spent on it. Driscoll has enclosed one of the chapters on dating online, and I would like to discuss it.
First, Driscoll says this about the “calling” or “courting” system of the last century:
The major downside of calling [courting during the 19th century] was the expense, which made it impossible for many people in the middle and lower classes. They simply could not afford a sitting room or parlor designated for calling, complete with a piano, along with formal attire to wear and specific food to eat (p. 181).
Driscoll then talks about how the world has “changed” so much saying:
This [the car] altered the nature of male-female pursuit so that the best men were those with the most money (symbolized by which kind of car they drove) and therefore the most able to afford the nicest dates, and the most prized women were the most outwardly beautiful and sexual who could serve as the best trophy (p. 182).
I don’t know if I’m the only one who noticed this glaring inconsistency in Driscoll’s writing. I could understand how this might be missed in one of his fast-paced sermons (the man is a smooth-talker and he does it a million miles a minute with no notes), but in print it seems that in the courting age, those with money were given preference in the courting system, and in the automobile age those with money to buy automobiles were given prefence. The story seems to be exactly the same: preferential treatment for the rich in our dating social systems. Those without cars or those without money in the previous system are left out of the accepted dating or courting norms of their culture.
Driscoll – read your own words – nothing has changed.
He then talks about how cohabitation is now a huge problem in the United States jumping from 1 million cohabitators in 1978 to 5 million in 2008. He uses this evidence to say that now the “expectation is that they will cohabit prior to marriage.” Let’s ACTUALLY look at the statistics: taking into account population inflation that means the percent of cohabitators in the United States has changed from 0.8% of the population to 3.3% in the last 40 YEARS. In other words, less than 4% of the population cohabits before marriage. This surely does not lend itself to the idea that people are “expected” to cohabitat before marriage. The statistics, in fact, still say exactly the opposite.
He does make the point that a quarter of women 25-39 cohabitat before marriage, but this STILL means that the majority (75%) do NOT cohabitat before marriage. Which STILL does not establish an “expectation.”
Using his expectations, he then makes the case that:
“Virtually all research on the topic has determined that the chances of divorce ending a marriage that was preceded by cohabitation are significantly greater than for a marriage that was not preceded by cohabitation.”
Again, he seems to ignore the same statistics that young [often sex-crazed Christians] couples in their early twenties [who can't wait any longer or are 'burning with passion'] are also more likely to divorced than those who get married later.
What am I trying to say? Basically, I am asking that those like Driscoll would stop using statistics to “prove” his points. Statistics are complicated and the general public is often duped into believing all sorts of false things based on the idea that the “statistics” prove the point.
What else am I trying to say? Basically, that Driscoll and others should address some of the root points of our societies obsession with sexual relationships. He bemoans the move away from the “calling” system (which, he admits, was bent towards the conveniences and the excesses of the rich with their parlors and free time). What can Driscoll say to what we might call “the working poor” with kids who can’t have that kind of supervision because both parents work full-time?
The same issues that Driscoll talks about as “modern” are rife in the literature of former arenas. Just read Thomas Hardy or Jane Austen to find that many of these same social problems were alive and well back then in Driscoll’s ‘good old days.’ What issues am I talking about?
Here are some deep-issues that need to be addressed which are not at all addressed in Driscoll’s work:
- Automobiles: Driscoll has done a good job of noting one of the root problems that has hampered our family life in the last century, but he doesn’t flesh the point out. Why do adolscents in our culture feel the need to have a car (sometimes taking on a level of debt that takes them years to pay back)? Why do adolescents feel the need to buy new cars every few years? I know of people who are 23 and have already owned four cars in since age 18.
- Family: How do we reunite the family in a way that they are involved in the dating system in a way that does not show prefential treatment to the rich? How do we make sure that the ‘working poor’ are involved in the conversation? How to we restore proper family relationships?
There are other issues here too, but I feel that Driscoll has spent too much time in his second “misconception” that he has misguided his audience into thinking there is some “problem” without ever addressing the root causes.
Driscoll strikes me as someone I'd really like to punch in the face.
That's all I have to say about that.
Ok forest gump.
I find it hypocritical that you use statistics to counter Driscoll’s arguments that use statistics. Where did you get your supposed stats?
Hi Josh,
Thanks for your comments. Most of the statistics that I used came from Driscoll’s book. I don’t actually own the book. I was reading an excerpt offline, but they are Driscoll’s statistics which he researched. I was just trying to show how and why statistics can be tricky when trying to “prove” points and I don’t think we should use them to prove points unless there is the evidence is statistically significant (this refers to the technical term “statistical significance” as defined by most statistics textbooks). Driscoll is not the only one guilty of using such statistics. I suggest you search the archives here and read my review of the book “culture of fear” and I also suggest reading the book as this points out the wide ranging ways in which the media is also guilty of using and abusing statistics.
The statistics on a higher divorce rate among those who marry earlier is pretty common knowledge. I don’t have statistics to back this up off the top of my head, though I’m sure I could find it if I really needed to.
Statistics or no statistics, I think my basic criticisms of Driscoll stand. There are societal issues that need to be addressed by Christians in the dating realm and we need to be able to deal with them openly and honestly with the families in our congregations.
Well even if the statistics may have been flawed, wouldn’t you still be able to glean some very positive Biblical truths from that lesson? Seems like you begin your argument against Driscoll in a very critical tone without offering much in the way of what he might have said that was beneficial. I agree with you about stats as not always being the best ingredients for an argument, but they can be beneficial.
Hi Josh,
That’s a good question. I would agree that my tone is critical of Driscoll. You are also correct in that I did not make many notes of what he said that might be beneficial. The problem is that Driscoll and I disagree on some very fundamental issues regarding the Bible, Christianity, and how life works within the Kingdom of God. My basic argument is that what Driscoll says is not helpful for the Christian life.
To talk about “Christian dating” at all is an anachronism to look at it “bibically” because the Bible was written in a world where dating was not in existence. We can talk about dating, but talking about it “biblically” seems to me simply to be an anachronism.
Hi danny,
I’m not really sure why you see the two points above as serious. Sure they need to be addressed but when it comes down to it what really matters is Jesus. I’m not a Driscoll supporter but i don’t think that it is fair to shoot down his ministry just because he doesn’t flesh out how to pull a girl without a car. Also from the very little amount of examples it is hard to get an idea of the context of which he is writing but it seems that he is in fact saying that nothing has changed, just the technology and the way in which women are enticed (cars not rooms).