Comments on: Mark Driscoll’s Nine Misguided Misconceptions http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/ a place for the church to be the risen entity it was meant to be. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:34:19 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Matt http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-860 Matt Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:13:42 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-860 Hi danny, I'm not really sure why you see the two points above as serious. Sure they need to be addressed but when it comes down to it what really matters is Jesus. I'm not a Driscoll supporter but i don't think that it is fair to shoot down his ministry just because he doesn't flesh out how to pull a girl without a car. Also from the very little amount of examples it is hard to get an idea of the context of which he is writing but it seems that he is in fact saying that nothing has changed, just the technology and the way in which women are enticed (cars not rooms). Hi danny,
I’m not really sure why you see the two points above as serious. Sure they need to be addressed but when it comes down to it what really matters is Jesus. I’m not a Driscoll supporter but i don’t think that it is fair to shoot down his ministry just because he doesn’t flesh out how to pull a girl without a car. Also from the very little amount of examples it is hard to get an idea of the context of which he is writing but it seems that he is in fact saying that nothing has changed, just the technology and the way in which women are enticed (cars not rooms).

]]> By: Danny http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Danny Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:31:22 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-785 Hi Josh, That's a good question. I would agree that my tone is critical of Driscoll. You are also correct in that I did not make many notes of what he said that might be beneficial. The problem is that Driscoll and I disagree on some very fundamental issues regarding the Bible, Christianity, and how life works within the Kingdom of God. My basic argument is that what Driscoll says is not helpful for the Christian life. To talk about "Christian dating" at all is an anachronism to look at it "bibically" because the Bible was written in a world where dating was not in existence. We can talk about dating, but talking about it "biblically" seems to me simply to be an anachronism. Hi Josh,
That’s a good question. I would agree that my tone is critical of Driscoll. You are also correct in that I did not make many notes of what he said that might be beneficial. The problem is that Driscoll and I disagree on some very fundamental issues regarding the Bible, Christianity, and how life works within the Kingdom of God. My basic argument is that what Driscoll says is not helpful for the Christian life.

To talk about “Christian dating” at all is an anachronism to look at it “bibically” because the Bible was written in a world where dating was not in existence. We can talk about dating, but talking about it “biblically” seems to me simply to be an anachronism.

]]> By: josh mcmullin http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-784 josh mcmullin Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:54:47 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-784 Well even if the statistics may have been flawed, wouldn't you still be able to glean some very positive Biblical truths from that lesson? Seems like you begin your argument against Driscoll in a very critical tone without offering much in the way of what he might have said that was beneficial. I agree with you about stats as not always being the best ingredients for an argument, but they can be beneficial. Well even if the statistics may have been flawed, wouldn’t you still be able to glean some very positive Biblical truths from that lesson? Seems like you begin your argument against Driscoll in a very critical tone without offering much in the way of what he might have said that was beneficial. I agree with you about stats as not always being the best ingredients for an argument, but they can be beneficial.

]]> By: Danny http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-782 Danny Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:05:01 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-782 Hi Josh, Thanks for your comments. Most of the statistics that I used came from Driscoll's book. I don't actually own the book. I was reading an excerpt offline, but they are Driscoll's statistics which he researched. I was just trying to show how and why statistics can be tricky when trying to "prove" points and I don't think we should use them to prove points unless there is the evidence is statistically significant (this refers to the technical term "statistical significance" as defined by most statistics textbooks). Driscoll is not the only one guilty of using such statistics. I suggest you search the archives here and read my review of the book "culture of fear" and I also suggest reading the book as this points out the wide ranging ways in which the media is also guilty of using and abusing statistics. The statistics on a higher divorce rate among those who marry earlier is pretty common knowledge. I don't have statistics to back this up off the top of my head, though I'm sure I could find it if I really needed to. Statistics or no statistics, I think my basic criticisms of Driscoll stand. There are societal issues that need to be addressed by Christians in the dating realm and we need to be able to deal with them openly and honestly with the families in our congregations. Hi Josh,
Thanks for your comments. Most of the statistics that I used came from Driscoll’s book. I don’t actually own the book. I was reading an excerpt offline, but they are Driscoll’s statistics which he researched. I was just trying to show how and why statistics can be tricky when trying to “prove” points and I don’t think we should use them to prove points unless there is the evidence is statistically significant (this refers to the technical term “statistical significance” as defined by most statistics textbooks). Driscoll is not the only one guilty of using such statistics. I suggest you search the archives here and read my review of the book “culture of fear” and I also suggest reading the book as this points out the wide ranging ways in which the media is also guilty of using and abusing statistics.

The statistics on a higher divorce rate among those who marry earlier is pretty common knowledge. I don’t have statistics to back this up off the top of my head, though I’m sure I could find it if I really needed to.

Statistics or no statistics, I think my basic criticisms of Driscoll stand. There are societal issues that need to be addressed by Christians in the dating realm and we need to be able to deal with them openly and honestly with the families in our congregations.

]]> By: josh mcmullin http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-781 josh mcmullin Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:44:13 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-781 I find it hypocritical that you use statistics to counter Driscoll's arguments that use statistics. Where did you get your supposed stats? I find it hypocritical that you use statistics to counter Driscoll’s arguments that use statistics. Where did you get your supposed stats?

]]> By: Danny Kam http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Danny Kam Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:01:31 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-4 Ok forest gump. Ok forest gump.

]]> By: Wes Ellis http://dkam136.com/2009/10/05/mark-driscolls-nine-misguided-misconceptions/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Wes Ellis Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:24:32 +0000 http://dkam136.com/?p=9#comment-3 Driscoll strikes me as someone I'd really like to punch in the face. <br>That's all I have to say about that. Driscoll strikes me as someone I'd really like to punch in the face.
That's all I have to say about that.

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